Pathological Amber/Blue Meme Parents Kill Daughter With Prayers
By ROBERT IMRIE, Associated Press Writer Fri Mar 28, 6:16 AM ET
Police are investigating an 11-year-old girl's death from an undiagnosed, treatable form of diabetes after her parents chose to pray for her rather than take her to a doctor.
An autopsy showed Madeline Neumann died Sunday of diabetic ketoacidosis, a condition that left too little insulin in her body, Everest Metro Police Chief Dan Vergin said.
She had probably been ill for about a month, suffering symptoms such as nausea, vomiting, excessive thirst, loss of appetite and weakness, the chief said Wednesday, noting that he expects to complete the investigation by Friday and forward the results to the district attorney.
The girl's mother, Leilani Neumann, said that she and her family believe in the Bible and that healing comes from God, but that they do not belong to an organized religion or faith, are not fanatics and have nothing against doctors.
She insisted her youngest child, a wiry girl known to wear her straight brown hair in a ponytail, was in good health until recently.
"We just noticed a tiredness within the past two weeks," she said Wednesday. "And then just the day before and that day (she died), it suddenly just went to a more serious situation. We stayed fast in prayer then. We believed that she would recover. We saw signs that to us, it looked like she was recovering."
Her daughter - who hadn't seen a doctor since she got some shots as a 3-year-old, according to Vergin - had no fever and there was warmth in her body, she said.
The girl's father, Dale Neumann, a former police officer, said he started CPR "as soon as the breath of life left" his daughter's body.
Family members elsewhere called authorities to seek help for the girl.
"My sister-in-law, she's very religious, she believes in faith instead of doctors ...," the girl's aunt told a sheriff's dispatcher Sunday afternoon in a call from California. "And she called my mother-in-law today ... and she explained to us that she believes her daughter's in a coma now and she's relying on faith."
The dispatcher got more information from the caller and asked whether an ambulance should be sent.
"Please," the woman replied. "I mean, she's refusing. She's going to fight it. ... We've been trying to get her to take her to the hospital for a week, a few days now."
The aunt called back with more information on the family's location, emergency logs show. Family friends also made a 911 call from the home. Police and paramedics arrived within minutes and immediately called for an ambulance that took her to a hospital.
But less than an hour after authorities reached the home, Madeline - a bright student who left public school for home schooling this semester - was declared dead.
She is survived by her parents and three older siblings.
"We are remaining strong for our children," Leilani Neumann said. "Only our faith in God is giving us strength at this time."
The Neumanns said they moved from California to a modern, middle-class home in woodsy Weston, just outside Wassau in central Wisconsin, about two years ago to open a coffee shop and be closer to other relatives. A basketball hoop is set up in the driveway.
Leilani Neumann said she and her husband are not worried about the investigation because "our lives are in God's hands. We know we did not do anything criminal. We know we did the best for our daughter we knew how to do."
PHOTO:
Madeline Kara Neumann, of Weston, Wis., is shown working on chalk art last summer during downtown Wausau's Chalk Fest. Neumann died Sunday, March 23, 2008, after her parents prayed for healing rather than getting medical help for a treatable form of diabetes.
April 29th 2008
Two parents who prayed as their 11-year-old daughter died of untreated diabetes were charged Monday with second-degree reckless homicide.
Family and friends had urged Dale and Leilani Neumann to get help for their daughter, but the father considered the illness "a test of faith" and the mother never considered taking the girl to the doctor because she thought her daughter was under a "spiritual attack," the criminal complaint said.
"It is very surprising, shocking that she wasn't allowed medical intervention," Marathon County District Attorney Jill Falstad said. "Her death could have been prevented."
Madeline Neumann died March 23 - Easter Sunday - at her family's rural Weston home. Her parents were told the body would be taken to Madison for an autopsy the next day.
"They responded, 'You won't need to do that. She will be alive by then,'" the medical examiner wrote in a report.
An autopsy determined that Madeline died from undiagnosed diabetic ketoacidosis, which left her with too little insulin in her body. Court records said she likely had some symptoms of the disease for months.
The Neumanns each face up to 25 years in prison if convicted. The couple and their attorney did not immediately return messages left Monday by The Associated Press.
Falstad said the Neumanns have cooperated with investigators and are not under arrest. They have agreed to make an initial court appearance Wednesday, she said.
Randall Wormgoor, a friend of the Neumanns, told police that Dale Neumann led Bible studies at his business, Monkey Mo Coffee Shop, and believed physical illness was due to sin, curable by prayer and by asking for forgiveness from God, the complaint said.
Wormgoor said he and his wife, Althea, were at the Neumann home when Madeline - - called Kara by her parents - died. Wormgoor said he had urged the father to seek medical help and was told the illness "was a test of faith for the Neumann family and asked the Wormgoors to join them in praying for Kara to get well," the complaint said.
Althea Wormgoor said she "implored" the parents to seek medical help for the girl, the complaint said.
Leilani Neumann, 40, told the AP previously she never expected her daughter to die. The family believes in the Bible, which says healing comes from God, but they have nothing against doctors, she said.
Dale Neumann, 46, a former police officer, has said he has friends who are doctors and started CPR "as soon as the breath of life left" his daughter's body.
According to court documents, Leilani Neumann said in a written statement to police that she never considered taking the girl, who was being home-schooled, to a doctor.
"We just thought it was a spiritual attack and we prayed for her. My husband Dale was crying and mentioned taking Kara to the doctor and I said, 'The Lord's going to heal her,' and we continued to pray," she wrote.
The father told investigators he noticed his daughter was weak and slower for about two weeks but he attributed it to symptoms of the girl reaching puberty, the complaint said.
A day before Madeline died, according to the criminal complaint, the father wrote an e-mail with the headline, "Help our daughter needs emergency prayer!!!!." It said his daughter was "very weak and pale at the moment with hardly any strength."
The girl's grandmother, Evalani Gordon, told police that she learned her granddaughter could not walk or talk on March 22 and advised Leilani Neumann to take the girl to a doctor.
Gordon eventually contacted a daughter-in-law in California who called police on a non-emergency line to report the girl was in a coma and needed medical help. An ambulance was dispatched shortly before some friends in the home called 911 to report the girl had stopped breathing, authorities said.
One relative told police that the girl's mother believed she "died because the devil is trying to stop Leilani from starting her own ministry," the complaint said.
The Neumanns said they moved to Weston, a suburb of Wausau in central Wisconsin, from California about two years ago to open the coffee shop and be closer to other relatives. The couple has three other children, ages 13 to 16; they are living with relatives.
The family does not belong to an organized religion or faith, Leilani Neumann has said.
Everest Metro Police Chief Dan Vergin said the parents once belonged to the Lighthouse Pentecostal Church but later became what he called religious "isolationists" involved in a prayer group of five people.
"They have gone out on their own," he said. "... They have a very narrow view of Scripture and I would say not many people hold to that narrow of view."
In March, an Oregon couple who belong to a church that preaches against medical care and believes in treating illness with prayer were charged with manslaughter and criminal mistreatment in the death of their 15-month-old daughter. The toddler died March 2 of bronchial pneumonia and a blood infection that could have been treated with antibiotics, the state medical examiner's office said.







parents right to raise their child as they choose fit vs the state guaranteeing a certain standard of living for ALL citizens.
don't want to touch this one ! (where does intervention stop ….)
RNs and Doctors are legally obligated and instructed to report suspected or actual abuse to the authorities within the walls of institutions such as hospitals and even when off duty. This is abuse…and second degree murder, plain and simple.
Would I have the right to put a gun to someones head and pull the trigger because it was a religious belief? No, of course not. Then why do you have the right to allow a child to suffer pain and agony, a slow death at that over a condition that was EASILY treatable and managed! This was not cancer, it was diabetes for Gods sake! It's clear the parents knew fully well that she was dangerously sick and they took no action. Praise the Lord.
This child should be laughing and playing in the sun with her friends now.
Diabetic ketoacidosis (DKA) is a life-threatening complication in patients with untreated diabetes mellitus (chronic high blood sugar or hyperglycemia). Near complete deficiency of insulin and elevated levels of certain stress hormones combine to cause DKA.
Symptoms and Signs:
Sluggish, extreme tiredness.
Extreme thirst, despite large fluid intake.
Constant urination
Fruity smell to breath, similar to nail polish remover or peardrops.
Hyperventilation, at first rapid and shallow, then progressively deeper and less rapid.
Extreme weight-loss.
Oral Thrush may be present, or/ yeast infections that fail to go away, this is because the normal fungal/flora present in oral cavity/cervix in women, the balance is upset and bacterial began to feast on the high sugar from urine output/ dry mouth from extreme thirst.
Muscle wasting. Agitation / Irritation / Aggression / Confusion
Late signs
At this point, DKA is life-threatening and medical attention should be sought immediately.
Emesis (vomiting), although this is not always a sign of late-stage ketoacidosis, and can occur both in early-stage ketoacidosis and in non-ketoacidic hyperglycaemia.Confusion.
Abdominal pain.
Loss of appetite.
Flu-like symptoms.
Lethargy and apathy.
Extreme weakness.
Kussmaul breathing (“air hunger”). A type of hyperventilaion where patients breathe very deeply at a normal or reduced rate. This is a sign of severe acidosis.
Unconsciousness (diabetic coma) after prolonged DKA. At this stage, speedy medical attention is imperative.
Treatment usually results in full recovery, though death can result from inadequate treatment or a variety of complications, such as cerebral edema (occurs mainly in children).
This first struck me as a warning to know what you are doing. To have firm footing and ground in our practices. just recently commented on a blog about taking care of ourselves before 'saving' the world. My opinion on that piece was that we CAN do a lot of harm from our unfounded beliefs (faiths).
Due diligence and care are just as important as radical beliefs.
in the end, the utmost compassion is our greatest tool. And that also means we use our heads to exercise and impliment our hearts.
My heart goes out to the parents who are probably now busy rationalizing their daughter's death as “God's will”
“Only our faith in God is giving us strength at this time”. And that is too bad. That's where the problem began in the first place. This sort of rampant nonsense does great harm.
True care depends on deeper knowing NOT some deeply misunderstood concept of 'faith'.
OK…felt REAL strong about that one
And my prayers ARE to the family in their time of deep sorrow
Unbelievable.
I suppose if they didn't believe in the bible then they would not be forgiven? What if they were atheists? Does that change your attitude? So because they believed in prayer they are innocent, but if it were in any other situation then its child abuse and second degree murder? Hell, all they have to claim is that they were praying over the kid. Yeah, thats good, all the bible thumpers will like that. This is the problem with the Green meme. Everyone has rights regardless, even parents who let their child suffer a slow agonizing death because the bible tells them so. Don't step on their right of religious freedom. Let them off the hook, they were just following their religious practice afterall. The child is in heaven now. Live and let live.
Bury the kids body and let it rot in the name of equanimity.
And so if their other children also get sick, they are going to let them die off while they pray over their writhing suffering bodies as their brain swells and they gasp their last breath into oblivion?